October 21, 2008

  • Where’s the Love?

    I went out to lunch today alone.  There were 2 people sitting next to me within earshot, and they were talking about the election.  Specifically they were talking about a Proposition 8, a measure on the ballot here in California that would eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry, essentially defining marriage only between a man and a woman. 

    The two people I was eavesdropping on were coworkers, both in uniform, for a cleaning company.  The man, was trying to explain to the woman that one of the arguments conservatives were making in favor of Prop. 8 was wrong.  Specifically, that if the measure passes, first graders would be taught about gay marriage.  He was actually articulating it quite well.  Maybe he read this article in the LA Times on Saturday:

    Prop. 8 battle rages over whether gay marriage would be taught in schools

    Proponents
    say defeat of the measure would lead to such lessons. Foes cry
    fear-mongering and say there’s no mention of marriage in the ballot
    item. The reality is complicated.
    By Jessica Garrison, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

    9:23 PM PDT, October 18, 2008

    It
    was supposed to be a 90-minute excursion, a noontime field trip for a
    group of San Francisco charter school students and their parents to see
    the kids’ lesbian teacher marry her partner in a wedding performed by
    Mayor Gavin Newsom.

    But after the event was reported in the San Francisco Chronicle and
    picked up by cable television and the Internet, the first-graders at
    Creative Arts Charter School found themselves at the center of the
    hottest battle in the campaign over gay marriage: the question of
    whether failure to pass Proposition 8 would result in widespread
    classroom discussions of same-sex unions.


    Supporters of the constitutional amendment, under which marriage would
    be defined as only between a man and a woman, contend that if
    Proposition 8 does not pass, gay marriage will be taught in public
    schools. “We are already seeing that happen,” said Frank Schubert,
    campaign manager for Yes on 8.




    The opposing side insists that this is fear-mongering and notes that
    there is no mention of schools or curriculum in the language of the
    proposition.”They just made something up in order to scare people and change the
    subject,” said Shannon Minter, legal director for the National Center
    for Lesbian Rights.


    To buttress their case, Proposition 8 supporters point to a legal
    decision out of Massachusetts, where same-sex couples have been able to
    wed since 2004. After a second-grade teacher in Lexington read a book
    to her students that included two princes marrying, the parents of a
    child in the class sued the school district.




    The parents, devout Christians who oppose gay marriage, contended that
    the teacher had read the book to her class “for the express purpose of
    indoctrinating them into the concept that homosexuality and marriage
    between same-sex partners is moral.” This, they said, intruded on their
    “right to direct the moral upbringing of their own children.”




    A federal court dismissed the case, finding it without merit, and
    earlier this month, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal of
    the dismissal, letting the lower court’s ruling stand.The child’s parents will be featured in a new Proposition 8 ad that will begin airing this week.

     

    The new ‘Yes on 8′ ad on the left, the new ‘No on 8′ ad on the right.

    School districts and the California Department of Education, meanwhile,
    are getting a steady stream of calls from the media and parents wanting
    to know whether gay marriage will be taught in schools if Proposition 8
    is defeated.

    The answer, it turns out, is slightly more complicated than can be
    captured in the 30-second television advertisements put out by both
    sides. There is nothing in the state education code that requires schools to
    teach anything about marriage. Even the decision about whether to offer
    comprehensive sex education is left up to individual school districts.

    What state law does require is that districts that offer sex education
    “teach respect for marriage and committed relationships.”  Districts have taken different approaches. The Los Angeles Unified School District offers ninth-graders a “Life
    Skills” class that deals with a variety of issues, including personal
    identity and relationships. A district spokeswoman said marriage is not
    a specific part of that curriculum but could come up as part of
    classroom discussion.

    In Fresno, meanwhile, district policy is that teachers do not address
    the subject of gay marriage in the classroom; students who ask about it
    are told to raise the issue with their families, according to district
    officials.

    Hilary McLean, spokeswoman for Jack O’Connell, the state superintendent
    of public instruction, said she was unaware of any district that had
    changed its curriculum as a result of the California Supreme Court’s
    May ruling allowing same-sex marriage.

    Still, recognizing how politically potent the issue is, the Yes on 8
    campaign has made it the center of its television advertising campaign. “Mom, guess what I learned in school today?” a little girl says in one spot. “I learned how a prince married a prince.”

    As the girl’s mother makes a horrified face, a voice says: “Think it
    can’t happen? It’s already happened. . . . Teaching about gay marriage
    will happen unless we pass Proposition 8.” In response, the No on 8 side put out an ad called “Proponents of Proposition 8 Are Using Lies to Scare You.” As television screens flicker Big Brother-like in the background, a voice says: “Prop. 8 will not affect teaching in schools.”

    To counter that, the Yes on 8 side issued a blast e-mail last week
    titled, “Who Is Really Lying,” which accused the No on 8 side of
    wanting gay marriage to be taught “at the youngest possible age.” In San Francisco, Newsom said he didn’t know the schoolchildren would
    be attending their teacher’s wedding, and a spokesman for the mayor
    said he does not endorse the idea of children leaving school to go to
    weddings — no matter who is getting married. “First-graders should be in class during the day,” said Nathan Ballard, communications director for Newsom.

    I myself have never been a huge proponent of gay “marriage” per se.  I’m more concerned with equal rights, and could personally care less whether same sex couples call it a marriage or a civil union.  That said, if Prop. 8 does pass, it would set back years of advances in gay rights.

    The fact that blue collar workers are discussing this at lunch I think is positive.  Even my own family here in California has questions about this issue, and they’re far from being homophobic.  The fear tactics in use here though are really quite absurd.  Gay marriage won’t be taught in schools.  And even if it were, reading a book about two princes marrying, will not make a child gay.  You can’t make a child gay.  That’s not how it works.  And by the ninth grade, kids these days certainly have this stuff figured out.  Unfortunately, I feared all along that this issue would be damaging in a presidential election year.  This article by Farhad Manjoo on slate.com confirms my worst fears.  Here are a few excerpts.

    Obama vs. McCain vs. Gay Marriage In California, the presidential race is taking a back seat to gay marriage.

    No one doubts that Barack Obama will win California by a double-digit margin
    this year. In some northern counties, he may well hit 90 percent. Yet
    politics in this nonswing blue state still defy prediction.
    California’s 2008 ballot is a thicket of closely contested, closely
    watched social issues. And on some of the biggest questions, blue
    voters—in one case, the very same voters that Obama is counting on—look
    ready to swing red.

    Among other state initiatives, Californians will vote on a measure to
    ban gay marriage; to require parental notification for abortions for
    minors; and to institute a program of rehabilitation, rather than
    incarceration, for nonviolent drug offenders. Even the beasts have a
    stake in the election: Proposition 2
    requires that cows, pigs, chickens, and other farm animals “be allowed,
    for the majority of the day, to fully extend their limbs or wings, lie
    down, stand up and turn around.” (The New York Times has come out in favor of the measure, while a number of local papers, including the Los Angeles Times, oppose it on grounds that it’ll damage the state’s huge agriculture industry.) In surveys, a large majority of voters say they’ll pull the lever in the animals’ favor.

    But on the question of whether human beings will be allowed to lie down
    and extend their limbs with whomever they please, Californians are much
    more uncertain. In 2000, residents voted overwhelmingly
    to ban same-sex marriage. The state Supreme Court struck down that
    initiative this spring, saying such a ban required a change to the
    state constitution, and gay couples up and down the coast have been
    marrying ever since. Now comes Proposition 8, which would enshrine a
    ban on same-sex marriage into the California Constitution.

    Early polls
    showed the measure tanking. Liberals were buoyed: Not only were they
    going to win the White House; they would also see their neighbors
    repudiate the 2000 vote and embrace an unmistakably libertine (if not
    strictly “liberal”) social policy. But over the last month, proponents
    of Proposition 8 have pulled in more campaign cash (40 percent of it from Mormons) and launched an aggressive TV ad campaign. Now the anti-gay-marriage measure looks likely to pass. Says Yvette Martinez, political director of No on 8: “I think maybe we got a little complacent.”

    There’s an interesting demographic wrinkle to the debate over Proposition 8. Obama has come out against the measure—but
    his supporters are another matter. The Democrat is expected to bring a
    surge of black and Latino voters to the polls on Election Day. This spells trouble for gay marriage; in some surveys
    (PDF), minority voters have expressed much greater support for banning
    same-sex marriage than have whites. Chip White, a spokesman for the pro-Proposition 8 campaign,
    stopped short of saying that Obama’s presence on the ballot will help
    the measure. But he did point out that the campaign plans a big push in
    minority communities, especially through churches and other religious
    networks. “Traditional marriage initiatives have historically been
    supported by African-Americans,” he says. “We think this one will be no
    different.”

    Late last month, the Proposition 8 campaign hit on what seems to be its
    most effective argument against gay marriage: that if the court’s
    ruling stands, kindergartners will be “indoctrinated” into the gay
    lifestyle. They’ve pushed the message in a couple of goofily creative TV ads
    now blanketing the airwaves. The more outrageous spot features a girl
    who comes home from school to show her mother a book her teacher has
    given her—King & King,
    a fairy tale about a young prince who doesn’t show much interest in
    getting together with a princess. “I learned how a prince can marry a
    prince and I can marry a princess!” the girl in the ad tells her
    mother. An announcer declares that under California law, schools are
    required to teach kids about marriage, and that even if parents object,
    “teaching children about gay marriage will happen here unless we pass
    Proposition 8.” The Proposition 8 slogan: “Protect Our Children.
    Restore Marriage.”.

    The first time I saw these ads, I thought Proposition 8 was sunk: Is
    this the best the anti-gay marriage side can muster? An obviously
    tangential “Think of the children!” campaign? What’s more, the ad is misleading: Although state law offers health-education guidelines for school districts to follow, it does not mandate a curriculum, and it explicitly allows
    parents to pull children out of any health classes they may find
    objectionable. In the summer, when the Proposition 8 campaign attempted
    to add language about schools teaching gay marriage on the statewide
    ballot pamphlet, a Sacramento Court found the claim “false and misleading.”…

    From afar, California is often seen as a liberal haven. Sure, Bill Clinton won the state by 14 points
    in 1992, and ever since, the state’s electoral horde—55 votes, 20
    percent of the threshold necessary to win the White House—have been a
    lock for Democrats. Yet between 1952 and 1988, the Golden State burned bright red,
    voting for a Democratic presidential candidate only once (Lyndon
    Johnson in 1964). Nixon and Reagan—homestate boys—won handily, and in
    1988, George H.W. Bush eked out a respectable margin.
    And voters here have a history of passing conservative ballot
    initiatives. Yes, we’ve legalized medical marijuana and funded stem
    cell research; but we have also severely restricted property taxes, denied medical services to illegal immigrants, prohibited affirmative action at public universities, and forced sex offenders to wear GPS tracking devices.
    Californians have twice rejected measures to require minors to inform
    their parents before seeking abortions, but polls suggest that the
    proposal will pass this year….

    Fact: Not one word in Prop 8 mentions education, and no child can be
    forced, against the will of their parents, to be taught anything about
    health and family issues at school. California law prohibits it, and
    the Yes on 8 campaign knows they are lying. Sacramento Superior Court
    Judge Timothy Frawley has already ruled that this claim by Prop 8
    proponents is “false and misleading.” The Orange County Register,
    traditionally one of the most conservative newspapers in the state,
    says this claim is false. So do lawyers for the California Department of Education.  Spread the word!

Comments (14)

  • Who talks to first graders about ANY kind of sexual preference?

    This whole issue bothers me… people spend way too much time and energy protesting about stuff that doesn’t affect them. As a matter of fact…Wanda Sykes said it all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IHdaJOZe7E

  • Yeah the Yes on prop 8 ads are ridiculous. This parody of the Pro 8 ad sums up how truly ridiculous the TV ads are lol, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exPoH1JX0Q8

  • I agree with you completely on this one and that vid is a horrible affront to anyone who is gay.  to me, marriage has been a “sacrament” of religion – long before Islam, Christianity, or even Judaism even existed so for the state or nation for that matter, to pass any law defining marriage is a definite violation of the separation church and state regardless of which side of the issue you’re on.  issues of religion need be left to the religions themselves and all citizens need to be treated with equality and granted the same rights. 
    hope you’re feeling better today.  peace, Al

  • This is absurd and keeps getting more absurd! I can’t believe that people would rather spend their money and time on spreading the message against equality instead of concentrating on real issues! 

  • Whenever I hear people talk about Prop 8, I think back to History class when we studied the fight over “interracial marriages” and wonder if people were using these same arguments/would be using them if it were a political issue today. 

  • I guess with issues like this, truth takes a backseat.  

  • Equality for ALL!!!!  NO ON PROP 8!!!!! 

  • @MlleRobillard - That Wanda Sykes clip is hilarious.  I hadn’t seen it.  Thanks!!
    @Rm2046 - That’s a great video too!! Thanks
    @pukemeister - Thanks, I am feeling better today.
    @Dezinerdreams - Sad but true
    @youthinasia613 - I suspect they did.
    @ElusiveWords - When you truly believe in talking snakes, what’s truth?
    @lv2skrp - Thanks Michele.  Nice to hear that sentiment from behind the Orange Curtain!

  • I wonder what the rest of the prop says, though. I hate how so many of these propositions carry fine-line print that totally screw up the rest.

  • @infinitysurfer - Are you voting in California James?

  • I mailed in my absentee ballot already! NO on Prop 8!!

  • @curry69curry - Mail?? What’s that? 

  • Lots of discussion on this – but do you have the guts to post the video I sent you.  I thought coming from a good looking latin male I’d have a chance that you would watch it.  What issue of any cna stnad even close to the horror of abortion. 

  • @bgutrich - As I was saying on the phone before we got cut off.  The abortion video you sent was just more propaganda.  There are much worse horrors in this world right now.  

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